On 29 Mar 2020, at 12:11, Barbara Hecht <bh@hechtmontgomery.co.uk> wrote:
I actually think the police officers are being given no choice but to carry on and it’s extremely sad for them and their families that they are not protected - putting everyone that comes into contact with them at risk on the way. They are acting ‘under orders’ much of the time albeit that the discretion they do have doesn’t too often seem to be exercised reasonably, or so it would seem from our colleagues’ anecdotal experiences that have been posted online.
The difference is that we are all parts of firms who can make management decisions to protect ourselves and our staff and follow the LCCSA protocol. Clearly the decision not to attend police stations is not universal but as numbers of deaths rise, views may change.
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On 29 Mar 2020, at 11:36, Tara Olowu <ao@aandalaw.co.uk> wrote:
RheanPolice will be laughing on the other side of their faces soon .
They have clearly been to busy arresting people for ‘grave crimes’ like shoplifting to follow the news about the number of policemen in NY who have succumbed to the virus.
I am concerned about leaving vulnerable clients without representation but I am also concerned about the well being of my family .
At the risk of sounding morbid I remind you all of the saying that the graveyards are full of indispensable men.
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On 28 Mar 2020, at 19:37, Greg Powell <GregPowell@psplaw.co.uk> wrote:
Some officers are good , others underhand .Its back to pre pace , interviews and ( ? confessions ) without reps .
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-------- Original message --------From: Rhean Bailey <rb@goldmanbaileysolicitors.co.uk>Date: 28/03/2020 19:31 (GMT+00:00)To: Greg Powell <GregPowell@psplaw.co.uk>Cc: members@mail.lccsa.org.ukSubject: Re: COVID-19
It is slightly encouraging to hear the positive reports; I however had a horror at Colindale yesterday, when a long term client with multiple MH diagnoses - who always has an AA - was deemed by custody to not need one. Reps to Sgt and OIC, outlining all of the above / history / obligations etc. Completely ignored. Multiple attempts to reach Inspector unsuccessful. The police were so determined to prevent an AA I could only conclude they couldn't find one to come ... And worst of all, whilst I was waiting for the inspector to supposedly call me, they cracked on with IV without notifying me they were doing so. Then when I followed up, recorded complete fiction on custody record that I had refused to attend and/or refused to give telephone advice.
Almost more concerning was that the custody sergeants genuinely seemed to be enjoying it all. Actually laughing at reps. And even at Covid-19 and 'all' the solicitors referencing it.
So please, all, do sign your firms up to the LCCSA protocol. The more unity, the more chance things will change and we will all be able to do our jobs in a way which protects us, our clients, our loved ones and the real frontline people in the NHS.
Rhean
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Hi .Meanwhile the police at Charing Cross realizing our firms attitude and insistence on remote working got the DSCC to issue a second number and got another Solicitor to attend without telling us D ..The DSCC issued a second number without any communication with us .
Underhand and deceitful by the officers involved .
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-------- Original message --------From: Peter Fernando <vpfco@btinternet.com>Date: 28/03/2020 17:53 (GMT+00:00)To: Greg Powell <GregPowell@psplaw.co.uk>, abu sayeed <asayeed@hotmail.co.uk>, members@mail.lccsa.org.ukSubject: Re: COVID-19
Hi GregJust come back from police station in Kent. Youth arrested for alleged pwits. I was all set with WebEx, skype business,zoom etc . No good , because police only had an empty can and a bit of twine which they called a telephone.I am going to write to the chief constable to buy some phones and if they cannot get the funding tell us and I am sure we can crowd fund some phone which they can wipe clean before and after each use.I really don't want to go through exposing my family to covid 19Peter
On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 19:08, Greg Powell<GregPowell@psplaw.co.uk> wrote:As a place of work Courts are not safe .We will not attend them .We have to insist on remote working .At the Covid Inquiry in 2023 Counsel for the bereaved will ask , Why were you engaging in face to face work in the midst of the pandemic when it was abundantly clear that this was incompatible with social distancing and isolation and placing your life and those of your family at risk ?
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-------- Original message --------From: abu sayeed <asayeed@hotmail.co.uk>Date: 27/03/2020 18:14 (GMT+00:00)To: members@mail.lccsa.org.ukSubject: COVID-19
Dear Members
I have been following the advice and guidance being given regarding police station duty attendances - my understanding ( please correct me if I am wrong ) is that a solicitor can hand matters back to the Dscc
( without criticism/penalty ) where he/she does not feel comfortable with the risk of physically attending police station.
What about the situation where one is a court duty - my colleague attended Westminster today as court duty and reported back saying it was business as normal, with dj not expediting anything or running anything differently...constantly asking my colleague to take further instructions from client in the dock
( thereby making a mockery of the 2m distancing requirement ), my colleague didn’t leave court till 5pm. COULD HE NOT SIMPLY HAVE REFUSED DUTY on similar basis he was not comfortable with the risk of having to undertake face to face contact with clients in unsanitary cells etc ( I understand probation as a rule, refuse to see defendants face to face, every interview at Westminster is done via tel/video link )?
[On a positive note, I understand a member of the press was in court today reporting on the current plight of court users ].
Abu Sayeed
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