Thank you Liz! I was fairly sure that others would agree although not everyone. But defence solicitors are no more likely to agree on a seemingly controversial issue than any other group of professionals and argument is one of our special skills

From: Liz Sargeant [mailto:Liz@needhampoulier.co.uk]
Sent: 10 December 2021 10:27
To: Penny Muir <PMuir@lewisnedas.co.uk>; 'Hannah Sampson' <hannah@sampson-law.co.uk>; Ros Olleson <rolleson@talk21.com>
Cc: Maggie Frame <maggie@brookelavingtonlaw.co.uk>; members@mail.lccsa.org.uk
Subject: RE: The proposed move to protocal 3 in police stations

100% agree with you Penny. You are not alone!

Liz Sargeant

Needham Poulier Solicitors

From: members@mail.lccsa.org.uk <members@mail.lccsa.org.uk> On Behalf Of Penny Muir
Sent: 10 December 2021 10:13
To: 'Hannah Sampson' <hannah@sampson-law.co.uk>; Ros Olleson <rolleson@talk21.com>
Cc: Maggie Frame <maggie@brookelavingtonlaw.co.uk>; members@mail.lccsa.org.uk
Subject: RE: The proposed move to protocal 3 in police stations

I am afraid I am a bit of an outlier on this. Police officers, police station staff, magistrates, judges, cell staff at court etc, don’t generally have the luxury of choosing to work from home and apart from those with underlying health conditions, I really don’t see why we reasonably robust solicitors should necessarily be exempt from attending courts and police stations. in person.

Perhaps it’s my advanced age (which I suppose is my underlying health condition!) but I don’t usually find remote attendances as satisfactory as in person attendances I do attend the magistrates court and recently the chairman of the Bench at Thames congratulated me for being there in person (as of course he was.)!

Being in court in person enables you to speak not just to the client but also his/her family if in attendance too, not to mention to the prosecutor (normally present) and probation if necessary. I’m not sure that defence solicitors refusing to attend reflects well on the profession but I was glad to see that there were several othe colleagues there as well

Penny Muir

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From: members@mail.lccsa.org.uk [mailto:members@mail.lccsa.org.uk] On Behalf Of Hannah Sampson
Sent: 09 December 2021 23:36
To: Ros Olleson <rolleson@talk21.com>
Cc: Maggie Frame <maggie@brookelavingtonlaw.co.uk>; members@mail.lccsa.org.uk
Subject: Re: The proposed move to protocal 3 in police stations

I couldn’t agree more Ros.

Maggie does deserve our support and you couldn’t have put it better

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On 9 Dec 2021, at 23:28, Ros Olleson (via members list) <members@mail.lccsa.org.uk> wrote:

I think Maggie should have some support here and applause from us all for carrying this flag. Many of us shielded for 16 months or more due to underlying health issues and would have been out of business but for the ability to work remotely. The exceptionally difficult working requirements of the job and inadequate arrangements leave us particularly vulnerable, particularly given our clientele. Many of my clients refuse to wear masks on spurious grounds they are exempt and several have told me they are conspiracy theorists about Covid and anti vaccers. There were very few clients I dealt with who objected or whom I thought could not cope with remote attendance. I likewise will not go back to police stations yet as I also have underlying health issues and quite frankly have absolutely no confidence in the measures in place to ensure my safety. I have heard some dreadful anecdotal tales. At least at court we have some degree of control although in my court measures are perfunctory. I have been asking all week for sanitiser in the courts as they have all run out.

Whilst we all appreciate the tireless efforts made on entirely voluntary basis by our reps from LCCSA and CLSA we clearly are not being listened to.

Regards

Ros

Ros Olleson solicitor

07951 242 693

On 9 Dec 2021, at 20:13, Maggie Frame <maggie@brookelavingtonlaw.co.uk> wrote:

Sorry I said protocal 3 but it was not actually dealt with until protocal 4.

From: Maggie Frame [mailto:maggie@brookelavingtonlaw.co.uk]
Sent: 09 December 2021 19:58
To: members@mail.lccsa.org.uk
Subject: The proposed move to protocal 3 in police stations

Dear all,

Now is your opportunity to tell the LCCSA that the proposed move to protocal 3 is not sufficient and not in line with the governments introduction of plan b. It is simpley a move back to in person attendance for anyone who needs an AA. Thats a large number of our clients and those we deal with on duty.

We need plan B to be an exception under exception 3 as the governments states we should work from home. The other representative bodies has made a suggestion that plan b allows us to work remotely under this exception without the need to mopve to plan b see next email where I will forward what I received.

In my view we need to resume remote interviews for all clients as we did prior to protocal 3 as the government has moved back to working from home where possible to try and slow the spread of the new variant and to save christemas.

Please don’t just leave it as if you do it will be protocal 3 and in person attendance for most client as many need AA and in addition no exception for solictors self isolating as that was not dealt with until protocal 3.

This has to be sorted out immediately and urgently so please get writing and express your views to the LCCSA .

Noone else can sort this out for you so don’t leave it to your colleagues and then complain when nothing gets done for us.

My view is new protocal 5 incorporating the temporary measures introduced by government and allowing all interviews to be remote until the government moves away from plan b and to follow the advice of government as to when it is safe to resume protocal 4.

Please read the suggestion of other representative bodies which I will forward to all of you.

Kind Regards

Margaret Frame ( Partner )

Brooke Lavington Law

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