How on Earth have we reached this surreal state of affairs?
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Sent: 21 December 2021 10:30
To: Margaret Frame <m2cframe@yahoo.co.uk>; members@mail.lccsa.org.uk
Subject: Re: Stoke newington now making lawyers wear aprons or refusing entries
I’ve just made an initial enquiry with a large company that my husband uses. They’ve advised that they could potentially do a one off report based on information we provide. They recommended that we use a local health and safety consultant. Obviously there will be a cost associated and I’m sure there are people willing to contribute, as will I. It may be that a joint instruction from leaders at LCCSA/CLSA would be the best way to go.
On a separate note, we may be able to take pictures within the rooms but I can’t imagine taking pictures in a custody suite or pictures of police staff would be very welcome. That would be all the reason they needed to go back to solicitors handing in their phones upon arrival at the police station!
If you have someone willing to assess that’s great.
In person is best as pictures don’t always show what is happening but if pictures can be taken showing small rooms not cleaned and that we wear the aprons and what the rest don’t wear and pictures of custody that show they don’t wear anything it would really help.
The representative bodies might then be able to present their findings at the next meeting
You might just have found a way.
I get that, the alternative would be to take pictures of the rooms and submit them to the expert. I’ve spoken to one agency who said they would provide a checklist after which they could assess the risk. The checklist coupled with pictures of the room may suffice. Again, just throwing some ideas out there.
I think this is a great idea, but I cannot see them allowing access to a HSE expert in custody, particularly given the impact it may have. Which ironically probably proves the point that they broadly aren’t safe!
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Liam Lane (he/him)
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Entering the chat late, but just had a thought that perhaps one way to approach this may be to instruct a health and safety consultant to attend on a police station case with one of us. A report from a health and safety professional may be just the thing to make our point. They may not take it from us but they can’t ignore it from them. If the report directly contradicts what the NPCC are saying then surely that changes things. At least our representative bodies would have something more concrete to put forward.
But Maggie we should not have ever been placed in this position where we are considering playing cat and mouse games…turn up, go away, log in when you get home????
The core issue is that interviews rooms are not safe-period- everyone knows it- including the officers who tell you to wear goggles and an apron clearly.
We should not be put in this in position where we are trying to come up with a plan where we can assist our clients, be compliant and be safe…this was thought out in March 2020 and resulted in the protocol.
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Maybe if you say not wearing that if they refuse entry if don’t you could say I will deal remote and I’m not passing case back.
That has got to be possible.
Get client on board. They will not like us turning up like that!
They can’t trust us if we dress normally if there is Perspex or glass seperating us but we can appear like something out of an apocalypse movie and they will be reassured? Really!!
An Apron and gloves. This could make a really funny sitcom in a few years time!
Will the police, the client and AA all be wearing this?
That get up will hardly be conducive to good communication and best advice…particularly if you have a vulnerable client with issues!
This is so much nonsense…if these measures are believed to be required then any one thinking of health and safety would make remote an option.
Someone please remind me why our representative professional bodies are not standing up to the NPCC on this?
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Croydon advised me over the weekend I was required to wear a mask apron gloves and goggles………… I asked if we were partaking in a science experiment………
Because what does an apron protect? How is an apron more protective than remote advice?
I don’t feel any safer wearing an apron, I just feel ridiculous!
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Liam Lane (he/him)
Edward Fail, Bradshaw & Waterson | |
Forest gate too. However if this is protection with mask why not!!!
Yet dont allow remote attendance....
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