Personally, I am appalled at the direction of travel of this thread.  

Un-evidenced assertions that your colleagues are systematically defrauding the LAA.  You are aware that these emails are probably monitored by the LAA and others?

If you have evidence of fraud, report it or have a quiet word. 

In the meantime the rest of us will try and earn a lawful crust and focus any spare energy we have on pressing for more financial investment in the CJS and defence in particular.  

Look forward to seeing you on the barricades. 

Kindest Regards
Ros
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On 20 Nov 2024, at 21:59, Shahnaz Sargent (via members list) <members@mail.lccsa.org.uk> wrote:

Hi 

I totally agree with Bridget. That's my understanding of the regulations as well. 

Thanks 


On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 at 18:35, Bridget Irving (via members list)
<members@mail.lccsa.org.uk> wrote:
Yup. And it makes me suspicious because if those people are making true deductions it is probably not actually financially worth it to take on those ‘own solicitor’ cases. 





On Wednesday, 20 November 2024 at 18:19:18 GMT, Liz Sargeant <liz@needhampoulier.co.uk> wrote:


Oh my goodness, this is such a big bear of mine. So may people, and I’m afraid mostly agents, will be doing a duty in one court and then have half a dozen “own” client cases. A great earner but just wrong!
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On 20 Nov 2024, at 17:15, Bridget Irving (via members list) <members@mail.lccsa.org.uk> wrote:


On this subject more generally members, I have had worrying conversations with colleagues recently when I have been told duty solicitors don’t need to deduct time spent on own solicitor cases if they are acting as agent for another firm (!) and that they don’t need to deduct lunch time adjournment as long as the time is spent doing their notes relating to the duty that are covering.
My understanding is totally different to this. All time spent on anything except the duty cases you have been allocated must be deducted, including lunch adjournment unless actually working on a duty case eg speaking to a duty client. 
I’m pretty sure I’m right and would hope all colleagues do comply with the regulations, not least because we don’t need yet another reason for the LAA to have a go at us. But also because we should do the right and honest thing.
If I’m wrong about the regulations I wait to be corrected.
Bridget 





On Wednesday, 20 November 2024 at 14:09:33 GMT, Jonathan Black <jonathanb@bsbsolicitors.co.uk> wrote:


I agree , the LA is wrong there , but wouldn’t be if Solicitor A is overrun with duty cases and needs help  and Solicitor B is without anything to do

 

From: Lewis Green <lewisgreen23@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2024 13:17
To: Jonathan Black <jonathanb@bsbsolicitors.co.uk>
Cc: Norman Cho <normancho.advocate@gmail.com>; members@mail.lccsa.org.uk
Subject: Re: Covering Other Court duties.

 

Helping out is ok if you agree its the  compulsion that is not acceptable . Lewis

 

On Wed, 20 Nov 2024, 13:06 Jonathan Black, <jonathanb@bsbsolicitors.co.uk> wrote:

I think you are expected to help out other courts when they need assistance but not while the other solicitor is there but doing an own client case unless they have asked you as a favour , which of course many of us will do to help each other out in a mutually supportive profession . I presume they are deducting that time from the duty claim ?

 

From: members@mail.lccsa.org.uk <members@mail.lccsa.org.uk> On Behalf Of Norman Cho
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2024 12:47
To: members@mail.lccsa.org.uk
Subject: Covering Other Court duties.

 

Dear All,

 

I could use some advice in a somewhat extraordinary situation. I'm doing court duty at London Court. One of the other court duties has unilaterally decided to do one of his own client cases. He's refusing to come to the court to cover his duty. The court legal adviser is arguing that I should cover this duty as there is nothing happening in my own duty court. I don't believe this to be correct. I am not down to cover this court at all. Who is correct?

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