I hope that’s a bluff and you do make a good point that we would be better off working for them anyway!

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From: lg@lpgreen.co.uk [mailto:lg@lpgreen.co.uk]
Sent: 22 August 2022 16:39
To: Maggie Frame
Subject: Re: Strike Action

On one aspect you are wrong in my view ; the LAA wont open more Public
defenders offices- its a bluff - the Treasury wont currently fund such
as they cost 3 or 4 times more than the current system but IF THEY DO
many of us can join the PDS and get pensions and proper holidays and
sick leave. AND it takes at least 6 months or more to set up an office

Lewis

On 2022-08-22 08:32, Maggie Frame wrote:
> I think the truth is what we do in magistrates and police station
> doesn’t really matter.  The only impact is if it’s in crown court.
>
> If we don’t apply legal aid either the court will merilly deal with
> the unrepresented or someone else will snap the client up.
>
> Just look at how firms are asking for Higher court advocates to cover
> the work of barristers.
>
> We might be able to do something in police station but remember the LA
> could just open more of their criminal defence offices or allow remote
> work as they are intending to do anyway if you read their response to
> the latest consultation on their suggestions.
>
> I think the most important thing we could have got from this
> consultation would be a separate entity reviewing what we are paid
> annually.  I have heard nothing in relation to that.
>
> The LCCSA are not a union and so can only suggest and cannot really do
> what the Bar leaders can do.
>
> Maggie
>
> From: members@mail.lccsa.org.uk [mailto:members@mail.lccsa.org.uk] On
> Behalf Of Jonathan Black
> Sent: 22 August 2022 13:58
> To: Joe Mensah-Dankwah; K K; members@mail.lccsa.org.uk
> Subject: RE: Strike Action
>
> I am not sure it’s so much that Joe , I think there is general
> apathy,  a willingness to give up crime  rather than fight for a
> better a deal , some hope  that  the Govt’s so called 15% is better
> than a poke I the eye with a sharp stick despite the fact that none of
> it will be backdated.
>
> How many more years can people sign up to anti social  work  with anti
> social  hours for anti social  pay ?
>
> The LCCSA leadership have tried to rally the troops , but the numbers
> who turned up at the ,meeting at red lion square training afternoon
> were poor  , the numbers who joined the zooms were even more
> disappointing .  There needs to be critical mass beyond the half a
> dozen or so usual  voices on here .  I know how strongly the
> leadership feel about this but there does not seem to be a similar
> strength of feeling on the ground . We would all like to be proven
> wrong .
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> Hello Kamal,
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> Apparently, the fear of losing out on business to others, means that
> we are incapable of taking any action! Such a shame …
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> Hi All,
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> Does the LCCSA have any plans to escalate strike action?  I have not
> seen any emails regarding this matter for some time, although I may
> have missed them.
>
> Seeing the strike action from Barristers today I am wondering what we
> are doing to improve legal aid pay.  Is the option to add more
> offences that we refuse to represent people for?
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